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Auto list of Canada
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arteekay
2007-12-23 19:56:47 UTC
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Hey all,

Just wondering, it's been a long time since there's been an active
"Auto List of Canada" thread, is there anything new going on?

How is this company still in business? I think it was last year that
the Free Press did it's big "would you buy this Van for 57 thousand?"
report, and it looks like he's still suing his customer/victims into
bankruptcy.

My question is, how is it that this fellow has been allowed to defraud
and deceive so many Winnipeggers over so many years?

Happy Holidays to all.
m***@mts.net
2007-12-23 20:22:50 UTC
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X-No-Archive: Yes On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:56:47 -0800 (PST), arteekay
Post by arteekay
Hey all,
Just wondering, it's been a long time since there's been an active
"Auto List of Canada" thread, is there anything new going on?
How is this company still in business? I think it was last year that
the Free Press did it's big "would you buy this Van for 57 thousand?"
report, and it looks like he's still suing his customer/victims into
bankruptcy.
My question is, how is it that this fellow has been allowed to defraud
and deceive so many Winnipeggers over so many years?
Can you provide proof that they did this? Proof not Hersay.
T
2007-12-23 21:13:16 UTC
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Post by m***@mts.net
Can you provide proof that they did this? Proof not Hersay.
Are you cross examining the poster in a court of law?
What's your point, are you affiliated with Autolist?
What's "Hersay" anyways?
m***@mts.net
2007-12-23 23:33:30 UTC
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X-No-Archive: Yes On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:13:16 -0600, T
Post by T
Post by m***@mts.net
Can you provide proof that they did this? Proof not Hersay.
Are you cross examining the poster in a court of law?
What's your point, are you affiliated with Autolist?
What's "Hersay" anyways?
hear·say – noun 1. unverified, unofficial information gained or
acquired from another and not part of one's direct knowledge: I pay no
attention to hearsay.
2. an item of idle or unverified information or gossip; rumor: a
malicious hearsay.
–adjective 3. of, pertaining to, or characterized by hearsay: hearsay
knowledge; a hearsay report.
Ralphinator
2007-12-24 00:44:24 UTC
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Post by m***@mts.net
X-No-Archive: Yes On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:13:16 -0600, T
Post by T
Post by m***@mts.net
Can you provide proof that they did this? Proof not Hersay.
Are you cross examining the poster in a court of law?
What's your point, are you affiliated with Autolist?
What's "Hersay" anyways?
hear·say - noun 1. unverified, unofficial information gained or
acquired from another and not part of one's direct knowledge: I pay no
attention to hearsay.
2. an item of idle or unverified information or gossip; rumor: a
malicious hearsay.
-adjective 3. of, pertaining to, or characterized by hearsay: hearsay
knowledge; a hearsay report.
Dude didn't say "HEARSAY" he said "HERSAY"!!!!
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w***@gmail.com
2007-12-24 01:11:38 UTC
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X-No-Archive: Yes On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 18:44:24 -0600, "Ralphinator"
Post by Ralphinator
Post by m***@mts.net
X-No-Archive: Yes On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:13:16 -0600, T
Post by T
Post by m***@mts.net
Can you provide proof that they did this? Proof not Hersay.
Are you cross examining the poster in a court of law?
What's your point, are you affiliated with Autolist?
What's "Hersay" anyways?
hear·say - noun 1. unverified, unofficial information gained or
acquired from another and not part of one's direct knowledge: I pay no
attention to hearsay.
2. an item of idle or unverified information or gossip; rumor: a
malicious hearsay.
-adjective 3. of, pertaining to, or characterized by hearsay: hearsay
knowledge; a hearsay report.
Dude didn't say "HEARSAY" he said "HERSAY"!!!!
so the spellcheck wasn't on, any one with an ounce of brains knew what
was meant
Chili Finger
2007-12-24 01:55:43 UTC
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Hairisay.. it's when you make fun of the Pope.

Chili Finger
Post by w***@gmail.com
X-No-Archive: Yes On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 18:44:24 -0600, "Ralphinator"
Post by Ralphinator
Post by m***@mts.net
X-No-Archive: Yes On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:13:16 -0600, T
Post by T
Post by m***@mts.net
Can you provide proof that they did this? Proof not Hersay.
Are you cross examining the poster in a court of law?
What's your point, are you affiliated with Autolist?
What's "Hersay" anyways?
hear·say - noun 1. unverified, unofficial information gained or
acquired from another and not part of one's direct knowledge: I pay no
attention to hearsay.
2. an item of idle or unverified information or gossip; rumor: a
malicious hearsay.
-adjective 3. of, pertaining to, or characterized by hearsay: hearsay
knowledge; a hearsay report.
Dude didn't say "HEARSAY" he said "HERSAY"!!!!
so the spellcheck wasn't on, any one with an ounce of brains knew what
was meant
S. Cargo
2007-12-24 02:28:06 UTC
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Post by Chili Finger
Hairisay.. it's when you make fun of the Pope.
I think you mean Hershey which is a candy bar :)
Dick Blisters
2007-12-24 03:14:29 UTC
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Post by S. Cargo
Post by Chili Finger
Hairisay.. it's when you make fun of the Pope.
I think you mean Hershey which is a candy bar :)
Maybe that's what they were looking for under the alterboys gowns?
Chili Finger
2007-12-24 04:49:59 UTC
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No, that's the name for the Bum Love Highway.

Chili Finger
Post by S. Cargo
Post by Chili Finger
Hairisay.. it's when you make fun of the Pope.
I think you mean Hershey which is a candy bar :)
Ralphinator
2007-12-24 07:15:06 UTC
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Post by S. Cargo
Post by Chili Finger
Hairisay.. it's when you make fun of the Pope.
I think you mean Hershey which is a candy bar :)
Or his favorite highway??
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Mr Frederick
2007-12-24 09:30:58 UTC
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Post by S. Cargo
Post by Chili Finger
Hairisay.. it's when you make fun of the Pope.
I think you mean Hershey which is a candy bar :)
Maybe yes, maybe no, if it is floating in the pool!
Dick Blisters
2007-12-24 03:13:16 UTC
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Post by Chili Finger
Hairisay.. it's when you make fun of the Pope.
Chili Finger
Only if it's a bald pope.... Like "He got no HairIsay"
Ralphinator
2007-12-24 07:14:42 UTC
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Post by Chili Finger
Hairisay.. it's when you make fun of the Pope.
Isn't that what you put in your hair to make your "DO" stay put??
Post by Chili Finger
Chili Finger
Post by w***@gmail.com
X-No-Archive: Yes On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 18:44:24 -0600, "Ralphinator"
Post by Ralphinator
Post by m***@mts.net
X-No-Archive: Yes On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:13:16 -0600, T
Post by T
Post by m***@mts.net
Can you provide proof that they did this? Proof not Hersay.
Are you cross examining the poster in a court of law?
What's your point, are you affiliated with Autolist?
What's "Hersay" anyways?
hear·say - noun 1. unverified, unofficial information gained or
acquired from another and not part of one's direct knowledge: I pay no
attention to hearsay.
2. an item of idle or unverified information or gossip; rumor: a
malicious hearsay.
-adjective 3. of, pertaining to, or characterized by hearsay: hearsay
knowledge; a hearsay report.
Dude didn't say "HEARSAY" he said "HERSAY"!!!!
so the spellcheck wasn't on, any one with an ounce of brains knew what
was meant
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Mr Frederick
2007-12-24 09:29:42 UTC
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Post by w***@gmail.com
X-No-Archive: Yes On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 18:44:24 -0600, "Ralphinator"
Post by Ralphinator
Post by m***@mts.net
X-No-Archive: Yes On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:13:16 -0600, T
Post by T
Post by m***@mts.net
Can you provide proof that they did this? Proof not Hersay.
Are you cross examining the poster in a court of law?
What's your point, are you affiliated with Autolist?
What's "Hersay" anyways?
hear·say - noun 1. unverified, unofficial information gained or
acquired from another and not part of one's direct knowledge: I pay no
attention to hearsay.
2. an item of idle or unverified information or gossip; rumor: a
malicious hearsay.
-adjective 3. of, pertaining to, or characterized by hearsay: hearsay
knowledge; a hearsay report.
Dude didn't say "HEARSAY" he said "HERSAY"!!!!
so the spellcheck wasn't on, any one with an ounce of brains knew what
was meant
Well, when expressing an opimion on anything of a legal nature, an
incorrectly spelled word totally nullifies it. "Sorry judge, I didn't have
my spell check on, but you know what I mean, right?" LOLOL!!
Peter D
2007-12-24 15:10:19 UTC
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Post by Mr Frederick
Post by w***@gmail.com
X-No-Archive: Yes On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 18:44:24 -0600
Post by Ralphinator
Dude didn't say "HEARSAY" he said "HERSAY"!!!!
so the spellcheck wasn't on, any one with an ounce of brains knew what
was meant
Well, when expressing an opimion on anything of a legal nature, an
incorrectly spelled word totally nullifies it. "Sorry judge, I didn't
have my spell check on, but you know what I mean, right?" LOLOL!!
Totoally nullifies it? Really? Too funny!

Anyway, "hersay" is when it's gossip by a woman. I thought everyone knew
that.

Happy Christmas, Gonzo Kwanza, A Jolly Solstice, Happy Hanukkah. And for all
the rest, "Happy Holidays" or "Best Wishes of The Season".
arteekay
2007-12-24 02:39:21 UTC
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Post by m***@mts.net
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:56:47 -0800 (PST), arteekay
Post by arteekay
Hey all,
Just wondering, it's been a long time since there's been an active
"Auto List of Canada" thread, is there anything new going on?
How is this company still in business? I think it was last year that
the Free Press did it's big "would you buy this Van for 57 thousand?"
report, and it looks like he's still suing his customer/victims into
bankruptcy.
My question is, how is it that this fellow has been allowed to defraud
and deceive so many Winnipeggers over so many years?
Can you provide proof that they did this? Proof not Hersay.
How's a link to the government of Manitoba website?

http://www.gov.mb.ca/hansard/hansard/5th-36th/vol_042b/h042b_8.html

"Again, this company has been restrained from doing a number of
things: (1) having consumers sign blank documents; (2) having
consumers sign more than one offer to purchase for a specific vehicle;
(3) advising that ALC requires no deposits on approved credit for
selling warranties unless payment and/or a registering warranty are
submitted with the warranty company; (4) refusing to refund deposits
given by consumers after deposits are refundable. There are a couple
of other things that they have been restrained against. I could
continue, but I think-okay. Changing the terms of an offer to purchase
without the consumer's knowledge; and advising consumers that their
credit has been approved unless it is able to show the consumer
documentation that it has been approved."

"Mr. Maloway: Well, I mean, this, to me, sounds like a pretty out-of-
control situation where we are not talking about one or two remedies
here. We are talking about the whole book of problems. So I would like
to know what sorts of guarantees do we have, does the consumer have
that there is compliance with these requirements.

Mrs. Render: I have been advised that under the act we cannot shut
down a business. We can investigate the complaint, but we cannot shut
down a company.

Mr. Maloway: I would like to ask what form of compliance then does the
department have, not with regard specifically to this case, although
it could apply to this case, too. If the department has taken action
in a case, then does it have a system whereby it monitors the
offending company or checks into it at periodic times in the future,
once or twice a year? Does it have any kind of follow-up to make
certain that what it has investigated is resolved permanently?

Mrs. Render: No, we do not have a monitoring system, but if another
complaint does come forward about the company, then we go back and
investigate, and, of course, the complaint would be forwarded to the
Justice department for further consideration and laying of further
charges against that company. I have also been advised that that would
include contempt of court, because they would be in breach of the
injunction, at least the orders that had been set down.

Mr. Maloway: So essentially, then, if this used-car dealership on
Regent then just goes back to its own ways and does not follow any of
the recommendations here, or orders, then there is really nothing the
Consumers' Bureau can do outside of waiting for another complaint to
come through."

This is back in 1999, and if the Better Business Bureau is too be
believed:

Based on BBB files, this company has an unsatisfactory record with the
Bureau due to a pattern of failure to eliminate the basic cause of
customer complaints brought to its attention.

http://www.bbbmanitoba.ca/cgi-bin/reliability.pl?BID=10360

Auto list has the worst performance record in the BBB database.
No Spam
2007-12-24 04:16:57 UTC
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arteekay
2007-12-24 21:32:51 UTC
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Post by No Spam
<snip of garbage>
<snipped asinine conspiracy theory>

Same "farking knob" for both posts, namely me.

As for the rest of your post, you sure went out of your way, and way
outside common logic, to come up with your conspiracy theory.

My reason for posting originally, and for the "huge quotes from
hansard was to show a pattern extending over 8 years.

For you to suggest this was somehow an advertisement for autopac is
just ridiculous, take your political ramblings elsewhere.
Andrew
2007-12-23 20:46:23 UTC
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Post by arteekay
Hey all,
Just wondering, it's been a long time since there's been an active
"Auto List of Canada" thread, is there anything new going on?
How is this company still in business? I think it was last year that
the Free Press did it's big "would you buy this Van for 57 thousand?"
report, and it looks like he's still suing his customer/victims into
bankruptcy.
My question is, how is it that this fellow has been allowed to defraud
and deceive so many Winnipeggers over so many years?
Happy Holidays to all.
Do a court records search on them. Real funny.

And about proof the national news did a whole one
hour expose on them a few years back. Doing things
like selling $400 extended warranties (on a $4000
car) for $3500 and then never registering them and
keeping the cash.

A real shady business and I too wonder how they
are still allowed to be in business and the owners
are not in jail.
Half TIme Dad
2007-12-23 23:04:20 UTC
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I get 146 files when I search. Auto List of Canada must just attract
the wrong kind of client.
Post by Andrew
Post by arteekay
Hey all,
Just wondering, it's been a long time since there's been an active
"Auto List of Canada" thread, is there anything new going on?
How is this company still in business? I think it was last year that
the Free Press did it's big "would you buy this Van for 57 thousand?"
report, and it looks like he's still suing his customer/victims into
bankruptcy.
My question is, how is it that this fellow has been allowed to defraud
and deceive so many Winnipeggers over so many years?
Happy Holidays to all.
Do a court records search on them. Real funny.
And about proof the national news did a whole one
hour expose on them a few years back. Doing things
like selling $400 extended warranties (on a $4000
car) for $3500 and then never registering them and
keeping the cash.
A real shady business and I too wonder how they
are still allowed to be in business and the owners
are not in jail.
w***@gmail.com
2007-12-23 23:46:22 UTC
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X-No-Archive: Yes On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:04:20 -0800 (PST), Half TIme
Post by Half TIme Dad
I get 146 files when I search. Auto List of Canada must just attract
the wrong kind of client.
Do a search on the owner ISHWAR THAWANI, you get about 30 more.
Not a place I'd buy a car.
Post by Half TIme Dad
Post by Andrew
Post by arteekay
Hey all,
Just wondering, it's been a long time since there's been an active
"Auto List of Canada" thread, is there anything new going on?
How is this company still in business? I think it was last year that
the Free Press did it's big "would you buy this Van for 57 thousand?"
report, and it looks like he's still suing his customer/victims into
bankruptcy.
My question is, how is it that this fellow has been allowed to defraud
and deceive so many Winnipeggers over so many years?
Happy Holidays to all.
Do a court records search on them. Real funny.
And about proof the national news did a whole one
hour expose on them a few years back. Doing things
like selling $400 extended warranties (on a $4000
car) for $3500 and then never registering them and
keeping the cash.
A real shady business and I too wonder how they
are still allowed to be in business and the owners
are not in jail.
Chili Finger
2007-12-24 02:01:27 UTC
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A place like that is proof that poor people who have nothing, will be so
glad someone will let them have a car, they won't bother with the fine
print.

Just like pawn shops, Payday loan companies, they prey on the poor.

Which I don't understand. If you could screw ONE rich dude outta
$10,000, well.. he can pay that... those sub-low povery types, you
gotta screw lots of them to get that sort of money. More work for same
return. Guess the rich guy might be the squeaky wheel tho.

Eat the Rich.

Chili Finger
w***@gmail.com
2007-12-24 05:47:40 UTC
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X-No-Archive: Yes On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 02:01:27 GMT, Chili Finger
Post by Chili Finger
A place like that is proof that poor people who have nothing, will be so
glad someone will let them have a car, they won't bother with the fine
print.
Just like pawn shops, Payday loan companies, they prey on the poor.
Speaking of the Payday Cash Money stores, I have one just across the
street. We fought them opening up here but lost the battle, I've seen
one or two cars in the parking lot ( and that's on any given day).
I don't know how they stay in business if that's all the traffic they
have. I for one hope this one goes under as it's an eyesore and a
travesty for the working poor to have to go there.
Post by Chili Finger
Which I don't understand. If you could screw ONE rich dude outta
$10,000, well.. he can pay that... those sub-low povery types, you
gotta screw lots of them to get that sort of money. More work for same
return. Guess the rich guy might be the squeaky wheel tho.
Eat the Rich.
Chili Finger
Mr Frederick
2007-12-23 23:55:59 UTC
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I had a couple of clients come in to register vehicles they had "bought" and
"financed" with them. Upon reading the documents, in the envelope provided
with "everything the broker needs", I had to tell them their "finance"
payments were really "lease" payments.
Post by arteekay
Hey all,
Just wondering, it's been a long time since there's been an active
"Auto List of Canada" thread, is there anything new going on?
How is this company still in business? I think it was last year that
the Free Press did it's big "would you buy this Van for 57 thousand?"
report, and it looks like he's still suing his customer/victims into
bankruptcy.
My question is, how is it that this fellow has been allowed to defraud
and deceive so many Winnipeggers over so many years?
Happy Holidays to all.
Doug
2007-12-24 00:07:39 UTC
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Post by arteekay
Hey all,
Just wondering, it's been a long time since there's been an active
"Auto List of Canada" thread, is there anything new going on?
How is this company still in business? I think it was last year that
the Free Press did it's big "would you buy this Van for 57 thousand?"
report, and it looks like he's still suing his customer/victims into
bankruptcy.
My question is, how is it that this fellow has been allowed to defraud
and deceive so many Winnipeggers over so many years?
Simple. The phrase often attributed to P.T. Barnum: "There's a sucker
born every minute...."

There is no shortage of people that are either desperate or gullible
that fall for Ishwar's deception.

No one is immune - he shafts suppliers as often as clients.
Post by arteekay
Happy Holidays to all.
i***@gmail.com
2013-04-30 01:03:42 UTC
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The only possible way to get out of the "LEASE" is to "BUY OUT" your vehicle from Quick Auto Lease, the leasing company Auto List of Canada uses. Call them, ask them to give a 'buy out' price, if you see the price is too high, check and compare with the market value and bargain with them. They will reduce some money but not whole lot of, even if it is something at least you can have that in your pocket, so bargain about the buy out price. Once you are okay with a buy out price and what you need to do, go to a bank (make sure you don't talk about this vehicle/buy out) and apply for a line of credit. There are more chances to get a line of credit for your personal use if you own a house/have a permanent full time job. Once you get a line of credit, you can use this money to pay off Quick Auto Lease and buy out the leased vehicle. If you want to keep the vehicle, you can keep it or else sell it through kijiji or something. Pay off the line of credit, which of course with the interest rate and whatnot, you will lose some money for sure but remember that is the price of your signature you give to Quick Auto Lease. If you go with court and complaint, government won't do anything as this Auto List is doing everything by book, and to be honest, Auto List is a small independent company that the government just won't do anything about it.
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